Legislature(2001 - 2002)

03/13/2001 10:02 AM Senate FIN

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     SENATE BILL NO. 65                                                                                                         
     "An Act requiring a study to determine if gender is a                                                                      
     determinant in state employee compensation."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Note: A committee substitute  was distributed to the Committee. The                                                            
two-page committee substitute  inadvertently included the first page                                                            
of 22-LS0060\J  and the second page  of 22-LS0060\L. All  references                                                            
to the version  "J" committee substitute during the  hearing pertain                                                            
to this J/L combination. A copy of this is on file.]                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
This was  the second  hearing for  this bill in  the Senate  Finance                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley, sponsor  of the bill, spoke to a proposed committee                                                            
substitute  that  develops  additional  background   information  to                                                            
clarify that  the intent  of the legislation  is to ensure  that the                                                            
state  is  in  compliance  with  current   federal  and  state  laws                                                            
requiring equal pay for equal work.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  called members' attention to a memorandum  from his                                                            
office  detailing  the requirements  of  the  study. He  noted  this                                                            
includes defining  the differences between equal pay  for same work,                                                            
equal pay  for comparable  work, and  equal pay  for equal work.  He                                                            
also referenced  a section  analysis for  the committee substitute.                                                             
[Copies on file.]                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley moved for  adoption of CS SB 65, 22-LS0060\J, 3\5\01                                                            
[See note above.]  It was adopted without objection.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  continued addressing  the committee substitute.  He                                                            
described the difference  between equal pay for equal work and equal                                                            
pay  for comparable  work.  He  defined  this  as making  sure  that                                                            
identical  jobs as  well as  jobs that  are substantially  equal  in                                                            
terms of composite  skill, effort,  responsibility, work  conditions                                                            
and other material aspects,  are paid equally and not paid different                                                            
amounts based upon domination by a particular gender.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  stressed that Alaska has a superior  classification                                                            
method compared to most  states, and that he believed no significant                                                            
discrimination  would be found. However, he emphasized  that until a                                                            
study is  done, no one  could be absolutely  sure. He noted  earlier                                                            
litigation  over nursing  classifications, which  he said have  been                                                            
addressed and the need to ensure there are no other instances.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He understood the concerns  raised at the previous hearing regarding                                                            
how complicated a comparable  work-study could be. In recognition of                                                            
this,  he said  he endeavored  to clarify  the study  to ensure  the                                                            
study  addresses equal  pay for  equal work  rather than  comparable                                                            
work.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  stated that the nurses  versus physician  assistants                                                            
issue is a good  example of equal work and asked Co-Chair  Donley to                                                            
elaborate.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley detailed  that the  Human Rights  Commission  found                                                            
that the classification  of nurses  was gender dominated  by females                                                            
and the classification  of physician assistants was gender dominated                                                            
by males,  but that both  were performing  the same work and  should                                                            
have been paid  equally. However, he pointed out that  the physician                                                            
assistants  were paid more  than the nurses.  He continued  that the                                                            
Commission's  findings  were appealed  up to the  Supreme Court  and                                                            
that the court  found that there were  some duties performed  by the                                                            
physician  assistants that  were different  from those performed  by                                                            
the  nurses. Therefore,  the  court  determined  that  there was  no                                                            
improper discrimination under the equal pay for equal work laws.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  stated that as a  result of this case, adjustments                                                             
have  been  made to  eliminate  the  perceived  problem.  He gave  a                                                            
hypothetical  example of two employees  doing the same job,  but one                                                            
is  classified  as  a  janitor  and  the  other   as  a maintenance                                                             
technician, and  receives higher pay. In this instance,  he said, if                                                            
most  of  the  janitors  are  women  and  most  of  the maintenance                                                             
technicians  are  men,  the  equal  pay for  equal  work  rules  are                                                            
violated.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  clarified that the  nurses in question were  actually                                                            
nurse practitioners.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley was unsure,  noting that the  case was handled  ten                                                            
years prior  and was resolved by the  Supreme Court, which  found in                                                            
favor  of the  state.  He spoke  to  his knowledge  of  the  nursing                                                            
profession,  citing  that  his  mother  was  a  nurse.  However,  he                                                            
maintained  that he found the different  classifications  of nursing                                                            
confusing  because of  the different  educational  requirements  for                                                            
each classification.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Leman  appreciated Co-Chair Donley's efforts  to clarify the                                                            
issue. Senator  Leman stated he had  been concerned that  attempting                                                            
to determine  the worth of a worker,  "against the marketplace"  was                                                            
unwise. However,  he stated that he  has always supported  equal pay                                                            
for equal work. He requested  the bill be held in Committee to allow                                                            
him to further "tighten" the language.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 10:15 AM / 10:20 AM                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #1:  This amendment makes a title change  to the committee                                                            
substitute as follows.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, lines 1 and 2:                                                                                                     
          Delete:                                                                                                               
     An Act requiring a study to determine if gender is a                                                                       
     determinant in state employee compensation.                                                                                
          Insert:                                                                                                               
     An Act requiring a study regarding equal pay for equal work.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley moved for adoption.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman asked  if the intent  is to continue  to limit  the                                                            
study to state employees.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley replied that  is the intent,  noting that  language                                                            
within the bill provides such.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman pointed  out that  the title would  leave open  the                                                            
possibility to  expand the study while the House of  Representatives                                                            
considered the bill.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley AMENDED his motion as follows.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, lines 1 and 2:                                                                                                     
          Delete:                                                                                                               
     An Act requiring a study to determine if gender is a                                                                       
     determinant in state employee compensation.                                                                                
          Insert:                                                                                                               
     An Act requiring a study regarding equal pay for equal work                                                                
     for certain state employees.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The amendment was ADOPTED without objection.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #2: This amendment  inserts, "in compliance with equal pay                                                            
for equal  work laws" following  "employees"  on page 2, line  11 of                                                            
the committee substitute. The amended language reads as follows.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          GENDER    PAY   EQUITY    SURVEY.   The   Department    of                                                            
     Administration shall conduct a study to determine whether                                                                  
     gender is a determinant in setting compensation for state                                                                  
     employees in compliance with equal pay for equal work laws…                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[See above  note  regarding the  committee substitute.  This  change                                                            
impacts language  contained  in the "L" version,  page two  of which                                                            
was  distributed   along  with  page   one  of  version   "J".  This                                                            
combination is referred to in Committee action as version "J".]                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley moved for adoption.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 10:23 AM / 10:24 AM                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The amendment was adopted without objection.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley offered a  motion to report  from Committee,  CS SB
65,  1-LS0060\J,   as  amended  with   accompanying  Department   of                                                            
Administration, Centralized  Administrative Services BRU fiscal note                                                            
for $50,000. [See  above note.] There was no objection  and the bill                                                            
MOVED from Committee.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                

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